I feel compelled, maybe it will only be a minor motion, to wonder if either, or could it be both of you elderley gentlemen, using the term in it's very loosest form, may be suffering from severe eyesight failure. May I explain - I was with a certain Mr Chesney in Amsterdam when the female companion of a famous offshore personality was in the room. His eyesight is definitely suspect as he found her attractive. There is a supply of reasonably priced eyewear at 7 11 in Buena Park should they care to visit.