"So there you have it Faz. According to our good and holy friend Saint Augustine, Jesus DID CONDEMN...not the woman, but her SINS! "
Pete
--Previous Message--
: Nice quote there Faz.
:
: "Misericordia et misera is a phrase
: used by Saint Augustine in recounting the
: story of Jesus’ meeting with the woman taken
: in adultery (cf. Jn 8:1-11)"
:
: Saint Augustine had this to say...
:
: "And because she had heard this, “He
: that is without sin. let him first cast a
: stone at her,” (Jn 8:7b) she expected to be
: punished by Him in whom sin could not be
: found. But He, who had driven back her
: adversaries with the tongue of justice,
: raising the eyes of clemency towards her,
: asked her,
:
: “Hath no man condemned thee?”
:
: She answered, “No man, Lord.”
:
: And He said, “Neither do I condemn thee;”...
:
: (Jn 8:10-11a)
:
: ...by whom, perhaps, thou didst fear to be
: condemned, because in me thou hast not found
: sin. “Neither will I condemn thee.”
:
: What is this, O Lord? Dost Thou therefore
: favor sins? Not so, evidently. Mark what
: follows:
:
: “Go; henceforth, sin no more.”
:
: (Jn 8:11b)
:
: Therefore the Lord did also condemn, but He
: condemned sins, not man.
:
: For if He were a patron of sin, He would
: say,
:
: "Neither will I condemn thee; go, live
: as thou wilt: be secure in my deliverance;
: how much soever thou wilt sin, I will
: deliver thee from all punishment even of
: hell, and from the tormentors of the
: infernal world."
:
: - He did not say this!"
:
:
: http://textualcriticism.scienceontheweb.net/FATHERS/Augustine2.html
:
: So there you have it Faz. According to our
: good and holy friend Saint Augustine DID
: CONDEMN...not the woman, but her SINS!
:
: Pete
:
:
: --Previous Message--
: Those who try and separate Mercy and
: Judgement. Mercy without judgment is
: meaningless. A woman and Jesus meet. She is
: an adulteress and, in the eyes of the Law,
: liable to be stoned. Jesus, through his
: preaching and the total gift of himself that
: would lead him to the Cross, returned the
: Mosaic Law to its true and original intent.
: Here what is central is not the law or legal
: justice, but the love of God, which is
: capable of looking into the heart of each
: person and seeing the deepest desire hidden
: there; God’s love must take primacy over
: all else . This Gospel account, however, is
: not an encounter of sin and judgement in the
: abstract, but of a sinner and her Saviour.
: Jesus looked that woman in the eye and read
: in her heart a desire to be understood,
: forgiven and set free. The misery of sin was
: clothed with the mercy of love. Jesus’ only
: judgement is one filled with mercy and
: compassion for the condition of this
: sinner. To those who wished to judge and
: condemn her to death, Jesus replies with a
: lengthy silence. His purpose was to let
: God’s voice be heard in the consciences not
: only of the woman, but also in those of her
: accusers, who drop their stones and one by
: one leave the scene (cf. Jn 8:9). Jesus then
: says: “Woman, where are they? Has no one
: condemned you?… Neither do I condemn you .
: Go your way and from now on do not sin
: again” (vv. 10-11). Jesus helps the woman to
: look to the future with hope and to make a
: new start in life. Henceforth, if she so
: desires, she can “walk in charity” (Eph
: 5:2). Once clothed in mercy, even if the
: inclination to sin remains, it is overcome
: by the love that makes it possible for her
: to look ahead and to live her life
: differently.
: (Misericordia Et Misera, 2016. My emphasis.)
: : Let's take another example, Matthew
: 23:1-39
: Pretty harsh, condemning words for the
: Pharisees..Was Jesus being NON-JUDGMENTAL
: then ?
:
: This continues the theme even more
: stridently.
:
: When Jesus encounters an individual labelled
: by society as a 'sinner' either in his
: ministry or via the stories he tells, he
: challenges those around him to look beyond
: judging and opt for mercy and compassion.
:
: But, as in the original story, Jesus
: reserves particular venom for those who seek
: to judge or condemn especially in the name
: of God. It is an explicit, consistent theme.
:
: It is in this context that Jesus later talks
: about those who would 'lead you astray' and
: those 'false prophets'.
:
: Yes, you're unfamiliar with the Amoris
: Laetitia controversy?
:
: Yes, but to call this a 'great debate' is,
: IMO, a great exaggeration.
:
: I suspect some of the teachings of Pope Leo
: XIII would have caused much greater
: consternation!
:
: Fortunately it's not up to some, it's not up
: to anybody..it's up to GOD and he
: communicates His Judgement through His
: Church...if you BELIEVE that ??
:
: I do my best, Pete.
:
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