Hi Ray,

I had the stream URL's anyway in VLC, I only visited the page because Peter Moore said he could not see Garry's links page on the other board.

I always use a VPN 24/7, no granted it is not universal, these things rarely are, it's a combination of settings, which vary across users PC's. DNS, no, I have already tried 3 different DNS servers.

It is a security issue with the site being http not https, and serving a frame which is a virtual redirect to another domain. Firefox warns but allows you to proceed to the page, Chrome, with force https setting turned off will allow temporary access, but then blocks again.

There is an issue, if https fails then the browser should use http, if you are not seeing it, it is because by proceeding to the page previously, Chrome remembers and puts in an exception for that site. I can still do that manually, but Chrome doesn't remember unless I manually put the exception in, granted it maybe an unusual combination of security settings, but I am not the only one with the problem, as well as PM, I think Freddie mentioned some PC's not being able to view the page. My guess would be that the server is not accepting the request for http if https fails.

I did run a network analyser on it and it showed a few errors which were beyond me, it's certainly intermittent, and as you know they are the most difficult problems to solve. Specifically it is Chrome 109 on Windows 11, I do not have the issue with Firefox on Windows, Linux or ChromeOS. Sadly Chrome have 65% of the users at the moment.

It's a simple matter to add an SSL certificate which would ensure everyone who wishes can view the page, I have no idea how many visitors to the site it affects, but I am sure Garry would like that number to be zero.

As I said it's no big deal to me, I have the streams saved in VLC so I don't need to visit the page anyway. It was of academic interest as I have been researching some foreseeable problems with radio streams using http rather than https.

73