Posted by Butch Cappel
on July 21, 2009, 8:19 am, in reply to "HB"
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Now that was a lot of info! Thanks Jason, H2G & HB, for your time on this one. I think this thread got started because it seemed HB kept bashing on the "sport" trainers. And there does seem to be two camps with strong feelings between "sport" and "PP" training.
I wanted to put a face on some of those differences and JasonSC happened to be in a position to have witnessed both styles of training so thanks JSC.
First I gotta say JSC you have definitely found two of the best SchH trainers around, that they would let Levi on the training field speaks volumes for their experience and confidence.
I think you answered HB's question about the sleeve techniques & the hellicopter.
The SchH dog is competing for points, and those points can be found crunching the sweet spot in the middle of that sleeve. So if you are a SChH trainer that is what you should be doing. And if your a PP trainer? Wellllll.
A PP trainer's customer does not need points, they need Security. so in my quest to finally explain the difference in PP & Sport training styles, the easiest thing to spot is the techniques used. If the PP trainer is using SchH techniques should he call himself a PP trainer?
There are at least two reasons for keeping that sleeve in front of your body, or slapping that sleeve with your hand or whip, and one of them is to train that dog to focus on that sweet spot.
The second reason? Well that is not so complimentary! In fact it is one of those reasons that really doesn't do anything for anyone except p*ss someone off. So I'll reserve that answer for after the next K9PS trial when a few of us are kicking back and some one asks.
I think the point is this, if your PP trainer is using obviously SchH or Ring techniques to train your dog, you will end up with a Ring or SchH dog. I think what jerks HB's chain is that most of the people claiming to be PP trainers are just doing a watered down form of SchH, and I say watered down because most of them can't train near as good a dog as the SchH trainers I know.
As far as the other questions that came up like "Will a dog that tasted flesh (that really sounds dramatic H2G) be more dangerous on a sport field? Absolutely, but they can still be trained to get to the podium and still be great security.
That is what the first SchH dogs I ever saw did.
Is there a breed difference in how you approach SCH training with a dog? Yep! All it takes is a trainer to show you what the differences are and how to go about doing it.
And last do the SchH dogs of the seventies differ from the SchH dogs of today? No doubt! but that aint the breeding, as HB says, if someone says "Genetics" That is code for "I don't know how to train your dog"
But this one is getting long so if these last points are worth elaborating on, get after it folks. I'm having a ball reading.
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