Posted by Father John George on November 20, 2016, 3:54 am
VATICAN CITY, November 18, 2016 (LifeSiteNews) – Pope Francis is "boiling with rage" over formal criticism of Amoris Laetitia from four cardinals, according to a Vatican insider.
The National Catholic Register's Edward Pentin told EWTN's The World Over Live that "sources within Santa Marta" say "that the Pope is not happy at all" and is "boiling with rage."
"I do understand from sources within Santa Marta that the pope is not happy at all," said Pentin. "In fact, he's...boiling with rage. He's really not happy at all with this."
The pope's rage is reportedly over a dubia, or formal request, from four cardinals that he clarify whether his controversial exhortation is at odds with Catholic moral teaching. Pope Francis didn't respond for two months, so the cardinals went public with their concern.
Now, in a new interview with Avvenire, Pope Francis is rebuking the "legalism" of Amoris Laetitia critics.
“Some, as with certain responses to Amoris Laetitia, persist in seeing only white or black, when rather one ought to discern in the flow of life," the pontiff said.
However, he denied being bothered by this. The criticism is "not making me lose any sleep" he told Avvenire. "Sometimes criticisms...are not honest, they are driven by a mean spirit to incite divisions."
In a tweet Friday morning, Pentin said his source "reconfirmed" the comment: [img]https://sacerdotus.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/04820-vl3w0357.jpg[/img]
--Previous Message-- : VATICAN CITY, November 18, 2016 (LifeSiteNews) : – Pope Francis is "boiling with : rage" over formal criticism of Amoris : Laetitia from four cardinals, according to a : Vatican insider. : : The National Catholic Register's Edward : Pentin told EWTN's The World Over Live that : "sources within Santa Marta" say : "that the Pope is not happy at : all" and is "boiling with : rage." : : "I do understand from sources within : Santa Marta that the pope is not happy at : all," said Pentin. "In fact, : he's...boiling with rage. He's really not : happy at all with this." : : The pope's rage is reportedly over a dubia, : or formal request, from four cardinals that : he clarify whether his controversial : exhortation is at odds with Catholic moral : teaching. Pope Francis didn't respond for : two months, so the cardinals went public : with their concern. : : Now, in a new interview with Avvenire, Pope : Francis is rebuking the "legalism" : of Amoris Laetitia critics. : : “Some, as with certain responses to Amoris : Laetitia, persist in seeing only white or : black, when rather one ought to discern in : the flow of life," the pontiff said. : : However, he denied being bothered by this. : The criticism is "not making me lose : any sleep" he told Avvenire. : "Sometimes criticisms...are not honest, : they are driven by a mean spirit to incite : divisions." : : In a tweet Friday morning, Pentin said his : source "reconfirmed" the comment: : : [img]https://sacerdotus.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/04820-vl3w0357.jpg[/img] :
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2016/migration-and-morality November 14, 2016 When Walls Are More Merciful Than Bridges William Kilpatrick A few days before the U.S. presidential election and at a time when European countries are hastily constructing barricades along their borders, Pope Francis said that nations should not be building walls, but bridges. “Mercy,” said the Pope, “is much more effective than walls.”
He added that “all walls fall.” Well, yes. At the Last Trumpet we can expect all the walls to come tumbling down, but until then, walls will still prove useful and even necessary. Despite the Pope’s suggestion that walls are somehow un-Christian, they are certainly not un-Biblical. In several places, the Bible acknowledges the importance of walls. In the Book of Revelation, the Holy City of Jerusalem is described as being surrounded with “a great, high wall” (Rev 21: 12). And in Isaiah, the Lord says: Upon your walls, O Jerusalem, I have set watchmen. (Is 62: 6)
Why do you need watchmen? To keep an eye out for enemies, of course. The Old Testament authors took the existence of enemies for granted. So did Jesus. He mentions enemies on several occasions. Moreover, in the parable of the householder and the thieves, he acknowledges the legitimacy of defending one’s house against break-ins (Mt 24: 43). That would seem to imply that walls and bolted doors are not necessarily unreasonable. Just as you can assume that the poor will always be with you, you can assume that, human nature being what it is, you will always need to take precautions against enemies.
But that’s the point that Pope Francis seems reluctant to admit. Judging by some of his statements, he seems at times to assume that human nature is not what it always has been — damaged by original sin, and prone to lawlessness. At times, Francis seems to assume the emergence of a new and improved human nature—one that has no need of walls, locked doors, and borders. Pope Francis admits that there are still some nasty characters around—arms dealers, capitalists, and enemies of the environment—but he sometimes gives the impression that the vast majority are as innocent of sinful tendencies as any noble savage in a Rousseauian rainforest. You can let them into your country by the millions and they will only repay you with kindness and gratitude. [My italics]. ------------ Thu Nov 19, 2015 - 3:54 pm EST Vatican Chief of Sacraments: No pope can change divine law on Communion By John-Henry Westen ROME, November 19, 2015 (LifeSiteNews) -- On the heels of a statement by Pope Francis seeming to suggest openness to non-Catholic Christians receiving Holy Communion, the cardinal who heads the Vatican congregation dealing with the sacraments has said that there are preconditions for the reception of Holy Communion and when those conditions are not met, and the situation is publicly known, ministers of the sacrament “have o right to give him communion.”
Cardinal Robert Sarah, prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, added, speaking of priests: “If they do so, their sin will be more grave before the Lord. It would be unequivocally a premeditated complicity and profanation of the Most Holy Body and Blood of Jesus.” The statements from Cardinal Sarah come from a forthcoming article in the French Catholic magazine L’Homme Nouveau. Vatican specialist Sandro Magister has published an excerpt in advance.
“The entire Church has always firmly held that one may not receive communion with the knowledge of being in a state of mortal sin, a principle recalled as definitive by John Paul II in his 2003 encyclical ‘Ecclesia de Eucharistia,’” said the prefect. “Not even a pope can dispense from such a divine law.”
With confusion rampant even among the clergy about Pope Francis’ own stance regarding communion for those in grave sin, such as divorced and remarried couples, homosexual couples, and others, Cardinal Sarah’s statements come at a critical moment.
Regarding “communion for all, without discrimination,” Cardinal Sarah says that those in grave sin who are unrepentant (unless in total ignorance) “would remain in a state of mortal sin and would commit a grave sin by receiving communion.”
Even in the toughest case of an abused wife who left her first marriage and was remarried without an annulment, Cardinal Sarah notes there can be no communion unless she decides to live without sexual relations with her new partner. The cardinal’s most powerful statements, however, are his lament at the confusion about Holy Communion among the clergy. “I feel wounded in my heart as a bishop in witnessing such incomprehension of the Church’s definitive teaching on the part of my brother priests,” he said. “I cannot allow myself to imagine as the cause of such confusion anything but the insufficiency of the formation of my confreres.”
Recalling his position as “responsible for the discipline of the sacraments in the whole Latin Church,” Cardinal Sarah said he was “bound in conscience” to spell out the Church’s teaching regarding sexuality – the source of much of the current confusion.
The Church, he said, “stigmatizes the deformations introduced into human love: homosexuality, polygamy, chauvinism, free love, divorce, contraception, etc.”
“In any case, it never condemns persons. But it does not leave them in their sin. Like its Master, it has the courage and the charity to say to them: go and from now on sin no more.” “The Church does not only welcome with mercy, respect, and delicacy. It firmly invites to conversion. As its follower, I promote mercy for sinners - which all of us are - but also firmness toward sins incompatible with the love for God that is professed with sacramental communion.” [My bold].
“Boiling with rage” is not an attitude one expects of a Pope when addressing the educated concerns of a group of Princes of the Church. Assuming this report to be true, and I think NCR would have checked their source on this one, rage, as a conclusion to the much-vaunted Year of Mercy, is not the emotion one would expect as the product of the working of the Holy Spirit.
But equally importantly, the Pope characterizes as “legalism” the endeavours of the four Cardinals to clarify the wording of a document that has caused widespread confusion among the Faithful, and given an immense cache of ammunition to the enemies of the Church. As the Crisis Magazine article PDH has quoted points out, (as if it were really possible to forget, or not notice), the Church has always had enemies, has them now, and will have them ‘til the end of time. It has been, in order to combat the Church’s enemies, the practice of the Church to express its doctrines in legal terms. What else is Canon Law for? What else have all the Councils in the Church been for? Why else has the Church’s doctrine been so carefully enshrined in Heinrich Denzinger’s Enchiridion Symbolorum : Compendium of Creeds, Definitions, and Declarations on Matters of Faith and Morals? To now characterize as “legalism” the sincere efforts of the Cardinals to relate the Popes loosely expressed words in Amoris Laetitia to the legal structure of the Church’s doctrine is very disappointing, and allows the continuance of the confusion that the Church has experienced from the start of this Pontificate.
--Previous Message-- : VATICAN CITY, November 18, 2016 (LifeSiteNews) : – Pope Francis is "boiling with : rage" over formal criticism of Amoris : Laetitia from four cardinals, according to a : Vatican insider. : : The National Catholic Register's Edward : Pentin told EWTN's The World Over Live that : "sources within Santa Marta" say : "that the Pope is not happy at : all" and is "boiling with : rage." : : "I do understand from sources within : Santa Marta that the pope is not happy at : all," said Pentin. "In fact, : he's...boiling with rage. He's really not : happy at all with this." : : The pope's rage is reportedly over a dubia, : or formal request, from four cardinals that : he clarify whether his controversial : exhortation is at odds with Catholic moral : teaching. Pope Francis didn't respond for : two months, so the cardinals went public : with their concern. : : Now, in a new interview with Avvenire, Pope : Francis is rebuking the "legalism" : of Amoris Laetitia critics. : :
A NAMED source has dismissed reports of Pope Francis "boiling with rage"
Posted by Pete on November 21, 2016, 11:01 am, in reply to "Un-Popish behaviour"
"Pentin told EWTN on Thursday: “I do understand, from sources within [the Pope’s residence] Santa Marta, that the Pope is not happy at all. That he’s quite at his … boiling with rage.”
Fr Antonio Spadaro, an associate of the Pope, has dismissed these reports." *
I'll give Fr Spadaro the benefit of the doubt over those who hide behind the cloak of anonymity to spread trouble making gossip.
--Previous Message-- : : “Boiling with rage” is not an attitude one : expects of a Pope when addressing the : educated concerns of a group of Princes of : the Church. Assuming this report to be true, : and I think NCR would have checked their : source on this one, rage, as a conclusion to : the much-vaunted Year of Mercy, is not the : emotion one would expect as the product of : the working of the Holy Spirit. : : But equally importantly, the Pope : characterizes as “legalism” the endeavours : of the four Cardinals to clarify the wording : of a document that has caused widespread : confusion among the Faithful, and given an : immense cache of ammunition to the enemies : of the Church. As the Crisis Magazine : article PDH has quoted points out, (as if it : were really possible to forget, or not : notice), the Church has always had enemies, : has them now, and will have them ‘til the : end of time. It has been, in order to combat : the Church’s enemies, the practice of the : Church to express its doctrines in legal : terms. What else is Canon Law for? What else : have all the Councils in the Church been : for? Why else has the Church’s doctrine been : so carefully enshrined in Heinrich : Denzinger’s Enchiridion Symbolorum : : Compendium of Creeds, Definitions, and : Declarations on Matters of Faith and Morals : ? To now characterize as “legalism” the : sincere efforts of the Cardinals to relate : the Popes loosely expressed words in Amoris : Laetitia to the legal structure of the : Church’s doctrine is very disappointing, and : allows the continuance of the confusion that : the Church has experienced from the start of : this Pontificate. : : : : --Previous Message-- : VATICAN CITY, November 18, 2016 : (LifeSiteNews) : – Pope Francis is "boiling with : rage" over formal criticism of Amoris : Laetitia from four cardinals, according to a : Vatican insider. : : The National Catholic Register's Edward : Pentin told EWTN's The World Over Live that : "sources within Santa Marta" say : "that the Pope is not happy at : all" and is "boiling with : rage." : : "I do understand from sources within : Santa Marta that the pope is not happy at : all," said Pentin. "In fact, : he's...boiling with rage. He's really not : happy at all with this." : : The pope's rage is reportedly over a dubia, : or formal request, from four cardinals that : he clarify whether his controversial : exhortation is at odds with Catholic moral : teaching. Pope Francis didn't respond for : two months, so the cardinals went public : with their concern. : : Now, in a new interview with Avvenire, Pope : Francis is rebuking the "legalism" : of Amoris Laetitia critics. : : :