Posted by father john george on November 7, 2009, 3:57 pm
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: The government is supplying free of charge : needles to drug users as it helps stop the : spreads of things like AIDS and HEP, C �I : don�t hear anyone saying The government is : nurturing the industry of drug dealers. The : government is giving out the needles because : it is the most sensible thing to do. The : people smugglers should not be one of the : main concern to the : Government. : Clare : ----------------------------------------==== : frjg responds: : i was involved with united nations : international narcotics control board in : trying to stop kings cross medical injecting : room declared by incb as against uno : conventions-after my reporting charity nuns : to vatican the nuns were forced to withdraw : from involvement with govt re injecting : rooms versus ethical methodds-eg you dont : treat alcoholics by setting up a pub for : them in kingd cross or handing out free : schooner glasses[IN FACT DRUG DEALING AND : TRAFFICKING FROM ASIAN GOLDEN TRIANGLE HAS : INCREASED EXPONENTIALLY] AND VOICES HAVE : BBEN RAISED : : ============================================= : ABC 7.30 Report[cf frjg involvement half way : down-so clare voices have spoken on drugs : and needles[traffic has increased] : : States stand firm on plans for heroin : injecting room trials : Reporter: Stephen McDonell : : MAXINE McKEW: Today New South Wales, : Victoria and the ACT have asserted their : right to press on with controversial plans : for safe heroin injection rooms. : The PM, an opponent of so-called harm : minimisation strategies, reignited the : debate by seizing on the objections of the : UN Narcotics Control Board. : The UN body warned the injection rooms may : breach international conventions and it : takes the view that what is proposed in some : Australian States is neither scientific nor : medical. : If the PM's views prevail, that still leaves : health ministers facing the shocking dilemma : about what to do about the alarming heroin : statistics -- a depressing 23 per cent : increase in 1998, that is 730 deaths -- two : a day. : In a moment, I'll be joined by the PM, but : first this report from Stephen McDonell. : MAJOR BRIAN WATTERS, CHAIRMAN, AUSTRALIAN : NATIONAL COUNCIL ON DRUGS: Well, I think : it's inconsistent that they asked the INCB : for an opinion and when the opinion comes : back they say, "Who are these people to : tell us what to do?". : It's a bit ironic, isn't it? : It's the old smacking of not liking the : umpire's decision, which is not really : Australian, is it? : JOHN DELLA BOSCA, NSW SPECIAL MINISTER FOR : STATE: We're looking for an Australian : solution to this problem. : We really won't find the answer looking : towards Vienna or New York or anywhere else. : We have to come up with an Australian : solution to the problem and that's what we : are pursuing. : STEPHEN McDONELL: Ever since it was first : suggested that Australia look at a program : of safe injecting rooms, the responses on : all sides have been passionate. : MAN, NSW DRUG SUMMIT, MAY 1999: I am sick to : death of these decisions being made by : people that have no idea of the real issue! : STEPHEN McDONELL: Now, with injecting room : trials ready to begin, the PM, citing UN : concerns, today called for a halt to the : projects, especially that proposed for NSW. : JOHN HOWARD, PRIME MINISTER: In the end, : Australia makes its own decisions on what is : good for Australia, but part of what is good : for Australia is paying some regard to : treaties that we signed and part of : cooperation between a Federal government and : a State government is for a State government : to recognise that we have our : responsibilities. : STEPHEN McDONELL: The PM pointed out that : legalising heroin injection rooms may breach : UN conventions, because it could be seen as : condoning the sale of illegal drugs. : But others argued this is too narrow an : interpretation. : PROFESSOR DONALD ROTHWELL, UNIVERSITY OF : SYDNEY: The breach would seem to be a rather : technical breach and therefore, that could : be a matter of debate amongst lawyers, but : it's not going to be a major breach of : international law, such as the invasion of : another country. : STEPHEN McDONELL: This controversy : started with a letter from Sydney Catholic : priest Father John George, who wrote to the : UN body opposing the injecting room trials. : The Narcotics Board responded, criticising : the trial. : Father George then wrote to the NSW Premier, : informing him of the Narcotics Control : Board's concerns. : The Premier passed on the information to his : Minister responsible for the injecting room : trial, John Della Bosca. : The Minister then wrote to the UN explaining : the trial. : The Narcotics Control Board then wrote back : to the Australian Government, claiming the : trial breached international conventions. : Armed with the letter, the PM today called : for a halt to the trial. : ======================================= : FROM THE TRANSCRIPTS OF NSW PARLIAMENT: : Reverend the Hon. F. J. NILE: I ask the : Attorney General a question without notice. : What advice has he given to the Premier and : what action has he taken or does he propose : to take regarding the serious warning : contained in a letter dated 20 August 1999 : to Reverend Father John George of Waverley : from the Secretary of the United Nations : International Narcotics Control Board, which : has received wide media publicity and which : states that the Government�s proposed legal : shooting gallery in Kings Cross would : contravene the United Nations international : drug control conventions? The letter states: : : =============================================== : : FROM A SMH PIECE BY DAVID MARR : Yet at first Clancy hovered between support : and forbearance. The Sisters' announcement, : when it came on July 27, was welcomed inside : and outside the church. But not by everyone. : A radical conservative, Waverley priest : Father John George, was perhaps the first to : complain to Rome and to the United Nations. : In the politics of the church these days, : dissidents don't bother making a fuss to : bishops at home. They go direct to Rome. He : was not alone. : : =============================================== : : FROM THE AUSTRALIAN : : THE priest whose e-mail started the chain of : events that has thrown the future of : shooting galleries into disarray was : overjoyed last night with the result of his : efforts. : Father John George had hoped his e-mail : would help to block the planned shooting : gallery for heroin addicts in Sydney's Kings : Cross -- but he never expected to get a : reply from the UN's International Narcotics : Control Board. : When the reply came three days later -- much : to his surprise, since the narcotics board : usually only responds to governments and : heads of state -- Father George knew it was : only a matter of time before the UN body : would act. : ``I've set the ball rolling and the rock : coming down the mountain is gathering a lot : of moss,'' he said last night. : It was a bonus that the INCB had written to : the Prime Minister rather than the heads of : the state governments considering opening : safe injecting rooms. : Father George, 55, who is chaplain to the : Retired Senior Teaching Brothers of Waverley : College in Sydney's east, e-mailed the INCB : on August 17. He decided to act after : learning, through its Web site, that the : board had investigated the legality of safe : injecting rooms in Switzerland, Germany and : The Netherlands. : While his e-mail asked the INCB for ``its : view'' on the proposed Kings Cross injecting : room, Father George had a deeper : philosophical objection -- which he did not : include in the e-mail. : ``I'm personally opposed to the shooting : gallery or an injecting room, or whatever : you would like to call it, for the same : reasons as the Vatican and the INCB,'' he : said. : ``It creates a weakness of moral standards : and an extraordinary danger to young : people.'' : The priest is also opposed to the Sisters of : Charity operating a safe injecting room, : which was proposed at the time. The Sisters : have since been ordered to withdraw from the : project. : Father George said he was resigned to having : angered those in favour of opening safe : injecting rooms to help addicts and prevent : overdoses. : However, he expected that being isolated : from the general community would shield him : from negative feedback. : He entered the Catholic church when he was : 14 and was ordained as a priest at 31 :

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Posted by father john george on November 7, 2009, 4:55 pm, in reply to "CLARE STOP YOUR NON SEQUITURS"

--Previous Message-- : The government is supplying free of charge : needles to drug users as it helps stop the : spreads of things like AIDS and HEP, C : �I : don�t hear anyone saying The : government is : nurturing the industry of drug dealers. The : government is giving out the needles because : it is the most sensible thing to do. The : people smugglers should not be one of the : main concern to the : Government. : Clare : ----------------------------------------==== : frjg responds: : i was involved with united nations : international narcotics control board in : trying to stop kings cross medical injecting : room declared by incb as against uno : conventions-after my reporting charity nuns : to vatican the nuns were forced to withdraw : from involvement with govt re injecting : rooms versus ethical methodds-eg you dont : treat alcoholics by setting up a pub for : them in kingd cross or handing out free : schooner glasses[IN FACT DRUG DEALING AND : TRAFFICKING FROM ASIAN GOLDEN TRIANGLE HAS : INCREASED EXPONENTIALLY] AND VOICES HAVE : BBEN RAISED : : : ============================================= : ABC 7.30 Report[cf frjg involvement half way : down-so clare voices have spoken on drugs : and needles[traffic has increased] : : States stand firm on plans for heroin : injecting room trials : Reporter: Stephen McDonell : : MAXINE McKEW: Today New South Wales, : Victoria and the ACT have asserted their : right to press on with controversial plans : for safe heroin injection rooms. : The PM, an opponent of so-called harm : minimisation strategies, reignited the : debate by seizing on the objections of the : UN Narcotics Control Board. : The UN body warned the injection rooms may : breach international conventions and it : takes the view that what is proposed in some : Australian States is neither scientific nor : medical. : If the PM's views prevail, that still leaves : health ministers facing the shocking dilemma : about what to do about the alarming heroin : statistics -- a depressing 23 per cent : increase in 1998, that is 730 deaths -- two : a day. : In a moment, I'll be joined by the PM, but : first this report from Stephen McDonell. : MAJOR BRIAN WATTERS, CHAIRMAN, AUSTRALIAN : NATIONAL COUNCIL ON DRUGS: Well, I think : it's inconsistent that they asked the INCB : for an opinion and when the opinion comes : back they say, "Who are these people to : tell us what to do?". : It's a bit ironic, isn't it? : It's the old smacking of not liking the : umpire's decision, which is not really : Australian, is it? : JOHN DELLA BOSCA, NSW SPECIAL MINISTER FOR : STATE: We're looking for an Australian : solution to this problem. : We really won't find the answer looking : towards Vienna or New York or anywhere else. : We have to come up with an Australian : solution to the problem and that's what we : are pursuing. : STEPHEN McDONELL: Ever since it was first : suggested that Australia look at a program : of safe injecting rooms, the responses on : all sides have been passionate. : MAN, NSW DRUG SUMMIT, MAY 1999: I am sick to : death of these decisions being made by : people that have no idea of the real issue! : STEPHEN McDONELL: Now, with injecting room : trials ready to begin, the PM, citing UN : concerns, today called for a halt to the : projects, especially that proposed for NSW. : JOHN HOWARD, PRIME MINISTER: In the end, : Australia makes its own decisions on what is : good for Australia, but part of what is good : for Australia is paying some regard to : treaties that we signed and part of : cooperation between a Federal government and : a State government is for a State government : to recognise that we have our : responsibilities. : STEPHEN McDONELL: The PM pointed out that : legalising heroin injection rooms may breach : UN conventions, because it could be seen as : condoning the sale of illegal drugs. : But others argued this is too narrow an : interpretation. : PROFESSOR DONALD ROTHWELL, UNIVERSITY OF : SYDNEY: The breach would seem to be a rather : technical breach and therefore, that could : be a matter of debate amongst lawyers, but : it's not going to be a major breach of : international law, such as the invasion of : another country. : STEPHEN McDONELL: This controversy : started with a letter from Sydney Catholic : priest Father John George, who wrote to the : UN body opposing the injecting room trials. : The Narcotics Board responded, criticising : the trial. : Father George then wrote to the NSW Premier, : informing him of the Narcotics Control : Board's concerns. : The Premier passed on the information to his : Minister responsible for the injecting room : trial, John Della Bosca. : The Minister then wrote to the UN explaining : the trial. : The Narcotics Control Board then wrote back : to the Australian Government, claiming the : trial breached international conventions. : Armed with the letter, the PM today called : for a halt to the trial. : ======================================= : FROM THE TRANSCRIPTS OF NSW PARLIAMENT: : Reverend the Hon. F. J. NILE: I ask the : Attorney General a question without notice. : What advice has he given to the Premier and : what action has he taken or does he propose : to take regarding the serious warning : contained in a letter dated 20 August 1999 : to Reverend Father John George of Waverley : from the Secretary of the United Nations : International Narcotics Control Board, which : has received wide media publicity and which : states that the Government�s proposed : legal : shooting gallery in Kings Cross would : contravene the United Nations international : drug control conventions? The letter states: : : : =============================================== : : FROM A SMH PIECE BY DAVID MARR : Yet at first Clancy hovered between support : and forbearance. The Sisters' announcement, : when it came on July 27, was welcomed inside : and outside the church. But not by everyone. : A radical conservative, Waverley priest : Father John George, was perhaps the first to : complain to Rome and to the United Nations. : In the politics of the church these days, : dissidents don't bother making a fuss to : bishops at home. They go direct to Rome. He : was not alone. : : : =============================================== : : FROM THE AUSTRALIAN : : THE priest whose e-mail started the chain of : events that has thrown the future of : shooting galleries into disarray was : overjoyed last night with the result of his : efforts. : Father John George had hoped his e-mail : would help to block the planned shooting : gallery for heroin addicts in Sydney's Kings : Cross -- but he never expected to get a : reply from the UN's International Narcotics : Control Board. : When the reply came three days later -- much : to his surprise, since the narcotics board : usually only responds to governments and : heads of state -- Father George knew it was : only a matter of time before the UN body : would act. : ``I've set the ball rolling and the rock : coming down the mountain is gathering a lot : of moss,'' he said last night. : It was a bonus that the INCB had written to : the Prime Minister rather than the heads of : the state governments considering opening : safe injecting rooms. : Father George, 55, who is chaplain to the : Retired Senior Teaching Brothers of Waverley : College in Sydney's east, e-mailed the INCB : on August 17. He decided to act after : learning, through its Web site, that the : board had investigated the legality of safe : injecting rooms in Switzerland, Germany and : The Netherlands. : While his e-mail asked the INCB for ``its : view'' on the proposed Kings Cross injecting : room, Father George had a deeper : philosophical objection -- which he did not : include in the e-mail. : ``I'm personally opposed to the shooting : gallery or an injecting room, or whatever : you would like to call it, for the same : reasons as the Vatican and the INCB,'' he : said. : ``It creates a weakness of moral standards : and an extraordinary danger to young : people.'' : The priest is also opposed to the Sisters of : Charity operating a safe injecting room, : which was proposed at the time. The Sisters : have since been ordered to withdraw from the : project. : Father George said he was resigned to having : angered those in favour of opening safe : injecting rooms to help addicts and prevent : overdoses. : However, he expected that being isolated : from the general community would shield him : from negative feedback. : He entered the Catholic church when he was : 14 and was ordained as a priest at 31 : : :

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