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Posted by father john george  on November 3, 2009, 4:52 pm
Original Sin (Main Forum)
by Peter Dresser , Kandos, Tuesday, November 03, 2009, 11:58 (3 hours, 50 minutes ago)
Tom Lee's manuscript once again raises the question of Original Sin...and so just a couple of my own thoughts on the subject.
The initiates in the early Church were adults and Baptism was the end result of long preparation and planning. Later on the children of the initiates began to be baptised with them and later on infants by themselves. My own readings suggest that Augustine and others struggled to make some kind of theological sense regarding the baptism of infans who obviously had not be instructed or discipled in any way...because the injunction of Jesus was that his followers should firstly be disciples before being baptised (see Matthew 28:19).It was during this time that the idea arose that Baptism made infants children of God by somehow removing a barrier to this relationship, viz. some kind of sin. And so we had the doctrine of Original Sin and Chapters one and two of Genesis were revisited to give some kind of scriptural basis to this doctrine.[WHAT A LOAD OF POPPY COCK-TOTALLY UNSOURCED-AUGUSTINE =THEOLOGICAL AL CAPONE DIGGING UP REASONS FOR A FAIT ACCOMPLI-I WANT SOLID HISTORICO-THEOLOGICO EVIDENCE NOT DRESSER FANTASY DIDACTICS FROM KANDOS
ORIGINAL SIN AS DOGMA WAS NOT A DEUS EX MACHINA TO EXPLAIN BAPTISM BUT BAPTISM WASHED AWAY ORIGINAL SIN FORGET KANDOS BACK FLIP
The Doctrine of Original Sin as stated in the latest Catechism of the Catholic Church and as expressed in doctrinal documents makes absolutely no sense scientifically[SINCE WHEN HAS SCIENCE BEEN THE MAGISTERIUM OF GODS DOGNAS. We are led to believe that in some way Adam and Eve once lived in some kind of preternatural existence and did something wrong and were cut off from God's friendship. And in one of the greatest tantrums of all time God drove them from the garden of Eden. And in a strangelyconvoluted way God then devised that having closed the gates of paradise to men and women, he would then sacrifice his Son to reopen them![ AND THEY ORDAINED THIS GUY AND LET HIM LOOSE IN BATHURST This gave rise to the fall and redemption theology that saw Jesus as the only perfect sacrifice to atone for violence done against a perfect God. So Calvary was seen as the price of atonement and, certainly to anyone searching for meaning, such thinking unfortunately raises the question of a rather strange God,[BUT WHAT OF STRANGE FR DRESSER?? a rather bizarre God who seeks the painful death of his Son to expiate some injury cause him. A rather small and petty God who thinks like the most miserable of any miserable human being.[YOU KNOW ZILCH ABOUT ORTHODOX ATONEMENT THEOL AND DOGMA-JESUS RANSOMED US FROM SIN AND RESTORED JUSTICE TO GOD A revengeful God in complete contradiction to the liberating, healing, forgiving and freeing God that Jesus himself spoke about.[BUT JESUS HIMSELF TAUGHT REDEMPTION THEOL DUUUUR-=BLOOD SHED SO THAT SINS MAY BE FORGIVENI made the point that Original Sin makes no sense in the scientific world we live in[WHO CARES-THEOL IS NOT FOUND IN A TEST TUBE OR SCIENCE LAB LET ALONE EVOLUTION BONE FICTIONS-DID YOU FINK ST PAULS SEMINARY WAS A SCIENTIFIC PLANETARIUM OR NASSA CONSTRUCTION BASE?. By suggesting that it was because of a disdemeanour committed by Adam and Eve that death came into the world ignores the fact that our world has been evolving for millions of years and our universe for something like 16 billion years with all the death and all the chaos that goes with this evolutionary process.[HE KNOWS ZILCH ABOUT BERRTHAULD STRATIFICATION AND SEISMOLOGY FINDS RE CHRONOLOGY OF EVOLUTION-THE DRESSER GUY IS NEANDERTHAL PRE SCHOOL TELL YA Men and women did not fall from any kind of preternatural existence.[DRESSER IS NOW INTO WRITING HIS OWN GENESIS STORY TO BETTER GOD-SO OOMBLE They are the result of an evolutionary process![PIFFLE PROVE THAT AND ANSWER EVOLUTIONARY SCIENTISTS MEETING IN ROME WHO HAVE EVIDENCE TO SKUTTLE YOUR APPALLING ARROGANCE-JUST WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE BELITTLING GODS ECONOMY OF SALVATION-RETURN TO YOUR PADDEDF CELL PRONTO And so it seems to me that it is not possible for the Doctrine of Original Sin and our cosmologiclall world outlook to coexist[IF YOU CAN COEXIST IN ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE SPORT.
So in what way is Jesus our saviour? Many today would readily accept that Jesus is our saviour but not so much that he died on the cross;[SO CALVARY WAS A BIG MISTAKE DRESSER EH
? it was more how he died on the cross that was a saving moment for us.[A MOMENT?-HAVE YOU EVER HUNG ON A CROSS FOR A LONG PERIOD TRY A SINGLE MOMENT It was his darkest hour and in that darkest hour he placed himself in the hands of his God with great hope and trust. His cry from the cross "My God , My God, Why have you forsaken me?" are in fact the opening words of Psalm 22, a Psalm which talks about faith and hope and trust in God. He died freely and humanly[GOD DIED ON THE CROSS]. He died with hope. He was teaching us a saving lesson.[SO HE COULD HAVE DONE IT BETTER WITH WHITE BOARD AND TEXTAS?? Indeed the whole life of Jesus was salvific.[NOTHING BIG DEAL ABOUT CALVARY-HEARD OF AGONY IN GARDEN-LET THIS CHALICE PASS FROM ME He showwed us in his own life the freeing, forgiving, healing and liberating spirit of God. He saved us by embracing life with all its joys, hopes, griefs and anxieties[BUT CALVARY LITE SORTA. He saved us by his great example of living with faith[GOD DID NOT BELIEVE IN GOD-HE KNEW HE WAS GOD-GOD HAD NO FAITH and hope in God and that the various quarries and valleys and pits of life can be filled with the good soil of a freeing and healing God.[HE REALLY HATES CALVARY THAT DRESSER BLOKE] He saved us by telling us about tis good and gracious God. He saved us by fulfilling the prophecy of Isaiah:
"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to bring good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to let the oppressed go free, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favour" (Luke 4: 18-19).[TRUST DRESSER TO LEAVE OUT THE LAMB LED TO SLAUGHTER
Nowhere in his dealings with people is there the slightest hint of the original sin mentality.[BULLS FOOT-I WILL DEAL WITH THAT LATER Just the opposite I would have imagined.[YEP YOU ARE HIGH ON IMAGINATION INDEED HALLUCINATING LIKE AN OVERDOSED HIPPIE YAAAAAAHOOOOO
It is pleasing to note that the Sacrament of Baptism once again is taking its place preeminently as a Sacrament of Christian Initiation and that any reference to Original Sin has been relegated to a passing mention in an optional prayer.[HEY DRESSER IT IS A DEFINED INFALLIBLE DOGMA OF FAITH WHICH YOU DENY-TO DENY A DOGMA OF FAITH IS EXCOMMUNICATIO LATAE SENTENTIAE DOES YOUR BISHOP KNOW YOUR STATUS??? Limbo was only ever a theological opinion.[ZZZZZZZZZZZZ As I understand, it is no longer even that![YOU ARE IGNORANT-IT IS STILL A PERMISSABLE OPINIONLet me turn to that beautiful statement at the opening of the Letter to the Ephesians:
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, just as he chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless before him in love." (Ephesians 1:3-4)[ST PAUL ALSO SAID CHRISTUS PASSUS EST OBEDIENS USQUE AD MORTEM]
This entire opening passage could have as its theme Original Blessing and one tries in vain to find any substantiation for an Original Sin. Indeed if one considers the question of God's dealingsa with the human race, the notion of an inherited sin seems very difficult to reconcile with any convincing view of God's goodness,[ITS IMPOSSIBLE FOR FR DRESSER-SO HE SHOULD STAND DOWN mercy and justice. The concept of original sin is not only alien to Jewish tradition; it is not found in any of the writings of the Old Testament and is certainly not in chapters one to three of Genesis.[ IT IS IMPLICITELY THERE MADE EXPLICIT BY MAGISTERIUM IN SOLEMN COUNCIL INCLUDING VATICAN 2 Briefly, the idea of original blessing is far more ancient and more biblical a doctrine than original sin; the Council of Trent never said what original sin means'[IT HAS BEEN EXPLAINED IN THE TRADITION OF THE CHURCH-DID YOU SLEEP THROUGH DOGMA CLASS AT ST PAULS Augustine mixed his doctrine of original sin up with his peculiar notions about sexuality; whatever is said of original sin, it is far less hallowed and original than are love and desire, the Creator's love for creation and our parents' love, and doctrine is not the basis of faith or its starting point. Creation is the basis of trust which is the biblical meaning of Faith. In any case, doctrine is for people, not people for doctrine, and much pain and sin have come about because of an exaggerated emphasis on the doctrine of original sin. Jesus does not redeem us from original sin. Rather he enhances our lives, lives so richly blessed before the foundation of the world.
Just a couple of thoughts...[A SCANDALOUS ACADEMIC DISGRACE-I WILL DEAL WITH ISSUES MORE DEEPLY WHEN I GET THE ENERGY]
WELCOME TO BBQ AT KANDOS
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